"The girl in the wheelchair" speaks

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I was in the pit too at the Philly show and your post has gotten me so steamed I joined this friggen web site.

First, your logic is flawed. You bought your ticket under false pretenses. They would NEVER had sold you the ticket in person - PERIOD.

I understand your passion for the band and desire to get as close as possible, but the wheel chair is not only a danger for you - it's a danger for us. It creates a hole that a crowd surfer could fall into. It's a hard imoveable object that any of us could have been pushed into. What about the rest of us?

If a person 500 lbs buys one (1) coach airplane ticket on-line, then that person may be surprised to find out when they show up at the airport to claim their seat, that if they can't fit into the one seat, then federal law requires the passenger to buy two (2) tickets.

You bought your ticket under false pretences and then demanded treatment as if you did nothing wrong.

I think it's great you love the band, and I'm sorry for your affliction - but let's call a spade a spade - it wasn't stupidity on your part to demand floor access - it was selfishness, which you accomplished through lying.

First, your logic is flawed. You bought your ticket under false pretenses. They would NEVER had sold you the ticket in person - PERIOD.

I did NOT buy my ticket under false pretenses. I bought them through the presale and "handicapped" was not an option. Seats and GA is all. Seats are not accessible for me but GA is.

I understand your passion for the band and desire to get as close as possible, but the wheel chair is not only a danger for you - it's a danger for us. It creates a hole that a crowd surfer could fall into.

What about the danger a crowd surfer causes for the people under him? I've been at shows where crowd surfers fall and injure the people under them all the time and they themselves get up just fine. They run the risk of falling into a hole no matter what. Short people exist everywhere.

It's a hard imoveable object that any of us could have been pushed into. What about the rest of us?

Oh, you mean like the rail that everyone gets crushed against? No one cares about getting pushed into that.

If a person 500 lbs buys one (1) coach airplane ticket on-line, then that person may be surprised to find out when they show up at the airport to claim their seat, that if they can't fit into the one seat, then federal law requires the passenger to buy two (2) tickets.

You bought your ticket under false pretences and then demanded treatment as if you did nothing wrong.

Comparing the situation to an overweight person who has to buy two airline tickets is just ridiculous. My ticket costs the same as everyone elses no matter where I sit. I don't need an extra seat. In fact, I need no seat at all.

I think it's great you love the band, and I'm sorry for your affliction - but let's call a spade a spade - it wasn't stupidity on your part to demand floor access - it was selfishness, which you accomplished through lying.

Selfishness? Does the selfishness lie in the person who has the same rights as everyone else, or the person who thinks that right shouldn't be allowed.

I've been reading and rereading this, hesitant to say anything out of a lack of knowledge, but you do bring up an interesting point, Halo. In buying tickets from Ticketmaster (I'm not sure about other sites), I've never seen any kind of stipulation keeping anyone with any kind of physical issue (be it using a wheelchair, crutches, etc.) from begin in the GA area. Even with all the moshing, I've never seen such a statement saying "Hey, you could get really hurt out there, let's put you in a safer place." Even if they did have a "Right to refuse entry and refund" clause, it wasn't put into effect with letting you in.

If they really felt they were liable, wouldn't someone have said..."Yikes, it could hit the net that someone in a wheelchair was in the mosh pit...don't let her in there."

Regardless of what happened, I'm glad to hear you had a great time, and hope that any other GA related events don't end up as smooshy (for want of a better word, that's what it feels like in there sometimes) as the one you wrote about. I'm pretty sure that Reznor noticed you out there, which is always a cool thing at a concert. :)
I wish that crowd was a bit less crazy and drunk. I'm glad you at least got to have that moment of connection. I'm still feeling the bruises from having a group of drunk frat boys all pushing as hard as they could to get past. Really a very unpleasant floor. Glad you still had a good time though. I've been wondering what Trent can do to top the visuals of this tour. I can't comprehend anything more visually stunning.
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Hello.

So a few days ago I read about "the girl in the wheelchair" on ETS and was immediately intrigued. I got this link from there and I read the whole story and I had to comment. I checked your profile, and, funny enough, I am also SMA type 2, so needless to say I am in a wheelchair.

Recently I saw NIN at the Palace of Auburn Hills, and I can atest to how shitty the handicapped seating is. There were about 15-20 people behind me, and I honestly think they were the only ones in the entire place who had shittier seats than me. I originally had presale tickets, and knew Id need to have them switched, so I called about 2 weeks after buying them. Having never been to the Palace I was hoping that they would be in a somewhat decent section, so I was a little disappointed when I looked up where the handicapped section is on the venue website and saw that I was all the way in the back.

I thought about being on the floor. Maybe not this time- I was going with my dad who is probably too old for that-but some other time Id love to. While I was waiting in line for my tickets someone asked me where Id be seated. His actual words were "did they put you up top"? I told him yeah, that I was pretty far back. He said that was too bad and he thought it would have been pretty badass if I was on the floor. I know he was just kidding, but I agreed, and started thinking about it. I didnt see why I couldnt be. Sure, maybe being dead in the middle wouldnt be a good idea but being against the rail shouldnt cause a problem. Like you, Im not worried about my own safety; if I did get injured so what, it would be worth it. As for everyone else, they should watch the fuck out. Its not like I'll be moving all over.

Im glad that you didnt back down from the asshole staff. Its cool that Trent saw you. I'll admit it, Im jealous. That sounds like the experience of a lifetime. You've definitely inspired me. Maybe next time I see NIN I'll have as much balls as you.
I've never seen any kind of stipulation keeping anyone with any kind of physical issue (be it using a wheelchair, crutches, etc.) from begin in the GA area. Even with all the moshing, I've never seen such a statement saying "Hey, you could get really hurt out there, let's put you in a safer place." Even if they did have a "Right to refuse entry and refund" clause, it wasn't put into effect with letting you in.
You're exactly right, there is no stipulation. There isn't even an option for handicapped. You have to "call the venue for information".


If they really felt they were liable, wouldn't someone have said..."Yikes, it could hit the net that someone in a wheelchair was in the mosh pit...don't let her in there."
The two men upstairs did not want me down there. They made it very clear. But the other event staff people had no problem with it as I passed them on my way down. Don't forget, I asked to sign a waiver too.


I'm pretty sure that Reznor noticed you out there, which is always a cool thing at a concert. :)
It was incredible!

I wish that crowd was a bit less crazy and drunk. I'm glad you at least got to have that moment of connection. I'm still feeling the bruises from having a group of drunk frat boys all pushing as hard as they could to get past. Really a very unpleasant floor.

I should probably be clear and say that not everyone was an asshole there. But yes, assholes overpowered the normal ones who just want to enjoy the show.


Glad you still had a good time though. I've been wondering what Trent can do to top the visuals of this tour. I can't comprehend anything more visually stunning.
The Only effect amazes me every single time. It's magical.

So a few days ago I read about "the girl in the wheelchair" on ETS and was immediately intrigued. I got this link from there and I read the whole story and I had to comment. I checked your profile, and, funny enough, I am also SMA type 2, so needless to say I am in a wheelchair.

We are a rare breed. heh.


Having never been to the Palace I was hoping that they would be in a somewhat decent section, so I was a little disappointed when I looked up where the handicapped section is on the venue website and saw that I was all the way in the back.

Over 100 shows and dozens of venues and only ONE of them has a decent handicapped section... the Electric Factory in Philly.


Sure, maybe being dead in the middle wouldnt be a good idea but being against the rail shouldnt cause a problem. Like you, Im not worried about my own safety; if I did get injured so what, it would be worth it. As for everyone else, they should watch the fuck out. Its not like I'll be moving all over.

The only problem the rail causes for me is the knee crush since I do not have leg rests. That is a risk I'm willing to take though.


Im glad that you didnt back down from the asshole staff. Its cool that Trent saw you. I'll admit it, Im jealous. That sounds like the experience of a lifetime. You've definitely inspired me. Maybe next time I see NIN I'll have as much balls as you.

It never hurts to try!


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I was one of the two guys standing directly behind the three of you.

My niece remembers you, Jeff.
I should probably be clear and say that not everyone was an asshole there. But yes, assholes overpowered the normal ones who just want to enjoy the show.

Oh I'm aware that they were not all assholes. It seemed like the people who were on the Presale line and the GA line early (a.k.a. the people who started the concert in the first few rows.) were really nice people. It really was just spoiled by that group of guys. I'm sure you'll be glad to know I saw at least one of them get punched in the face. That made me smile.

The Only effect amazes me every single time. It's magical.

Oh I know. It really just makes me wonder how they pull that kind of effect off. If you want to relive only, my sister caught video of that and a couple other songs. Right now they're hosted on my youtube, but tomorrow I'll be uploading them to my vimeo.
I'm sure you'll be glad to know I saw at least one of them get punched in the face. That made me smile.
Ha!! That makes me smile too.

Awesome video. I have Only recorded from the East Rutherford show... somewhere. All I know is that the screen and Trent are not choreographed. He must have so much fun playing with that every show.
Were you able to see over the barrier?
sorry, vox ate half my post....

were you able to see over the barrier? i was at the show but not up the front, so i don't know how high it was, but all the wheelchair people i've seen have eye level lower than all the barriers i've seen, so i'm curious as to what your view was like.

I'm one of those under 5fters, and I agree a lot of people underestimate what we can stand! So long as you were within venue regulations, I'd be fine with you being down there - instinctually a little more cautious, because there's more metal and spokes etc for me to bang into - but you have a right to be there if the venue doesn't mind.
Yes, I can see over the barrier perfectly. I have the kind of wheelchair that raises in the air about a foot. When it's up all the way I'm just a little under 5' high.
Yeah, i dont know why it cut off 9/10 of what i said earlier but:

I caught this through the ETS forums and i read what other people said. Total bullshit.

It was pretty funny how Vic asked Nick and I if we were "good protectors."

Nick was pretty beat up from being in San Jose for a week and enduring many layovers just to get back midnight thursday and have my stupid ass call him like "DOOOOD, ARE YOU FECKIN READY?!?!"

"no, but come get me. let's do this."

With the power of 1,000 people pressing into me I more or less crushed your neice between myself and your wheelchair. I was thinking to myself most of the time, "...doesnt this defeat the purpose?"

I tried. I never talked to you personally, but you seemed like good peoples.

I'm glad amongst all of the stupid on-goings that are usual in pits, you got into it.

Cheers, babe.




Vic is a funny old dude.

You and Nick were lumped into the "Not everyone was an asshole" comment of mine. I seriously, majorly appreciated the two of you back there. Before I knew it, we were out of there and I didn't get to thank you.

So... thank you.
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I was the other guy (as well as Jeff Kane) that stood in back of you.
Okay, for some reason I just wrote like 3 paragraphs of text, and only one sentence was posted, awesome.

Basically, I was the other guy in back of you, along with Jeff. We tried to protect you to the best of our knowledge, but before we knew it, we were separated from you by a few songs in. However, we tried disparately to protect you. We tried.

I really respect you for your confidence and resilience. Stay strong.

-nick
Aw, thanks Nick. I know the two of you did the best you possibly could and I couldn't appreciate it more. I'm just fine so you totally succeeded. There's only so much that could have been done.

Both of you helped me obtain an indescribable moment of my life. "Thank you" will never seem like enough.

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